tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3231620677891254489.post4646963522579452851..comments2023-08-22T05:55:23.804-07:00Comments on Getting out there: What the Hell were they thinking?Irn Brujahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05903972289435999066noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3231620677891254489.post-75541615906453038842012-08-22T05:13:30.002-07:002012-08-22T05:13:30.002-07:00Thank you for writing this, really. Very, very muc...Thank you for writing this, really. Very, very much appreciated.Irn Brujahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05903972289435999066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3231620677891254489.post-28960670696430950762012-08-16T01:29:31.489-07:002012-08-16T01:29:31.489-07:00Just love this whole post and the comments with in...Just love this whole post and the comments with insightful replies.. when I first saw the picture, I did laugh, I'll admit that... And its only because its what our world and society has been accustomed too.. its what I've been influenced by and what I've learned to let slide and just agree, or laugh about it.. but after reading what you had to say, I realize it wasn't just a joke, but also something that can become as serious as rape itself.. thank you for writing this and showing an entirely different perspective of the situation, I would have never looked at it that way... pabss10https://www.blogger.com/profile/08445065611674328284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3231620677891254489.post-25378831082363735072012-08-15T22:19:04.148-07:002012-08-15T22:19:04.148-07:00All good. This is the problem with educating peopl...All good. This is the problem with educating people about sex and criminality, as a society we have a very hazy notion of what constitutes "consent". As a result, juries can (and have) decided a victim consented because she had a short skirt on. Or had consented to sex (with other people!) in the past. Or had been drinking. Young people are told almost exclusively not to get raped, but almost nothing on how not to rape. <br /><br />Imagine a world where people were confident enough in themselves to ask each other if they wanted to continue? If they were happy to go further? And if we were confident enough to answer honestly, and take honest answers without getting angry, violent or upset? <br /><br />As a society we should be teaching and learning how to say NO and how to respectfully listen to someone else saying it. That way when someone doesn't listen, there's less of this "they were asking for it" bollocks.Irn Brujahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05903972289435999066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3231620677891254489.post-39301540107998573332012-08-15T21:57:41.337-07:002012-08-15T21:57:41.337-07:00very valid points to consider - thank you for brin...very valid points to consider - thank you for bringing that to my attentionAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02842977722430948936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3231620677891254489.post-37226221800974832012012-08-15T21:51:30.529-07:002012-08-15T21:51:30.529-07:00Have I spoken to two unidentified individuals in a...Have I spoken to two unidentified individuals in a marketing campaign? No. Is that at all relevant? No. <br /><br />As I said in this post, and on twitter, and on facebook, the issue is that we have a major company who are using a depiction of sexual assault to sell pizzas. You seem to be agreeing with me on this. <br /><br />That aside, rape isn't actually defined as a party feeling "violated". Article 128 of NZ Law describes rape as:<br /><br />"Person A rapes person B if person A has sexual connection with person B, effected by the penetration of person B's genitalia by person A's penis,—<br /><br />(a) without person B's consent to the connection; and<br />(b) without believing on reasonable grounds that person B consents to the connection."<br /><br />"Article 128 (3) outlaws "unlawful sexual connection" (which refers to sexual acts other than those described in 128 (2) – i.e. without the penetration of genitalia by the penis – committed under the same circumstances of 128 (2)." (wikipedia- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_regarding_rape)<br /><br />As such, rape in this and in most other Western countries is sexual contact where one party has not CONSENTED to the sexual contact, or if that consent was obtained due to coercion or intoxication. Someone who is sleeping is unable to consent to having a masked stranger put their genitals into their mouth, and it therefore qualifies as a sexual assault under the law. <br /><br />To think that something is only illegal because one party is upset by it is phenomenally dangerous. Kids who grow up in abusive homes might be massively traumatised, but would still tell social services they're fine because they don't want daddy to get into trouble. Victims of DV have been known to retract complaints or downplay the effects of the abuse on them due to their relationship with the abuser. If a man rapes his wife but she's so used to the abuse that she just carries on with life, is the perpetrator still in breach of the law? Of course he is. Irn Brujahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05903972289435999066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3231620677891254489.post-39344617026064504532012-08-15T21:38:16.868-07:002012-08-15T21:38:16.868-07:00really rubbish and indecent marketing aside - have...really rubbish and indecent marketing aside - have you actually SPOKEN to the people involved in this story?! Rape is only rape if one or more parties feel violated. If he thinks his mate was a bit of a dick doing this "prank" but isn't psychologically damaged by the action, then there really isn't an issue between them, but moreso that Hell used the story and in doing so removed the stigma of what is otherwise a really disgusting and despicable thing to do to anyone! Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02842977722430948936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3231620677891254489.post-51838142534288845032012-08-15T21:20:16.740-07:002012-08-15T21:20:16.740-07:00Thanks for this!Thanks for this!Irn Brujahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05903972289435999066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3231620677891254489.post-70763896838682857642012-08-15T21:18:03.568-07:002012-08-15T21:18:03.568-07:00Excellent, excellent commentary. Love your anger, ...Excellent, excellent commentary. Love your anger, insight and eloquence. I'm sharing this. :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13498742400622837510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3231620677891254489.post-67553066959738255482012-08-15T21:10:21.354-07:002012-08-15T21:10:21.354-07:00It's great that they've done this, and to ...It's great that they've done this, and to think all it took was widespread outrage and several reports in the press condemning them and spreading the idea of them donating to Rape Crisis! If only it was always this easy. <br /><br />Don't get me wrong, I'm pleased that they're making an effort to put this right. What sticks in my craw is the fact there was something this abhorrent that needed putting right in the first place. Irn Brujahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05903972289435999066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3231620677891254489.post-42295804435900401592012-08-15T21:08:26.784-07:002012-08-15T21:08:26.784-07:00That's just it Katy, plenty of people DID find...That's just it Katy, plenty of people DID find it funny. Hell's facebook site had plenty of messages of support from people who were rolling out the "It's the PC Police!" rhetoric. Seeing not just proponents of "lad" culture but women, even mothers, saying that if their child grew up and had something similar happen to them they'd tell them to "learn from it and get over it" (or something very similar) suggests victim blaming and rape apology are deeply, poisonously ingrained. Irn Brujahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05903972289435999066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3231620677891254489.post-17072359840838035642012-08-15T21:03:03.071-07:002012-08-15T21:03:03.071-07:00Agree, but then Hell Pizza are very good at provid...Agree, but then Hell Pizza are very good at providing amends: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/7490911/Hell-Pizza-to-donate-to-Rape-Crisis-after-bungle. Entirely appropriate! Mirandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06353909136635168741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3231620677891254489.post-36772411608056949172012-08-15T04:52:00.324-07:002012-08-15T04:52:00.324-07:00Perfectly put. But please don't think the maj...Perfectly put. But please don't think the majority are the high-fiving morons who lack the emotional or intellectual capacity to think before they rape. Nobody found it funny. It's not okay and if I can hear about their grossly inappropriate marketing messages all the way from London in the UK, I'd say they will end up losing more than just a few facebook likes. Noone has the right to make light of sexual assault. And I'm pretty sure Hell's Pizza is about to find that out the hard way.<br />Warm thoughts, @iamkatythomas x Katyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01154851902787980116noreply@blogger.com